I don't scan in my practice my assist does. She says it's awesome. Better than the trios or cerecs we have had in the past. The image quality while designing cases is amazing. Haven't seated a restoration from it yet but expect it to be great as well...read moreI don't scan in my practice my assist does. She says it's awesome. Better than the trios or cerecs we have had in the past. The image quality while designing cases is amazing. Haven't seated a restoration from it yet but expect it to be great as well.read less - 6/16/2020
Bought a medit 6 months ago and customer service has been nothing short of amazing. Always very responsive and helpful. Great scanner, too! - 6/16/2020
They all go absolutely above and beyond in all aspects. Whether it's tech support, products, CE, everything. Everyone I have dealt with has been wonderful. Love these guys! - 6/19/2020
Ive had the medit since 2018. One of the best decisions in dentistry ive made. I met some of the great trend setters in digital dentistry(armen, jonathan ab and others through social media platforms). Medit Has changed The way i practice, live and ...read moreIve had the medit since 2018. One of the best decisions in dentistry ive made. I met some of the great trend setters in digital dentistry(armen, jonathan ab and others through social media platforms). Medit Has changed The way i practice, live and think! Happy not to have a monthly fee as i did for years. Support is always a message or call away. Would be glad
To further share my experience with you if u need.read less - 6/16/2020
Awesome company. The video collection CAD-Ray has put together for their equipment is unparalleled. There is literally no other company that has a library of learning tools like Armen and his team have put together. I highly recommend this company if...read moreAwesome company. The video collection CAD-Ray has put together for their equipment is unparalleled. There is literally no other company that has a library of learning tools like Armen and his team have put together. I highly recommend this company if you are considering making a digital equipment investment. 5 stars!read less - 6/16/2020
I bought the Medit i500 and self installed to save $$$. The web site provided great step by step instructions. The Facebook group filled in the gaps. The software has been continuously upgraded and works great for scanning and tracking cases sent and...read moreI bought the Medit i500 and self installed to save $$$. The web site provided great step by step instructions. The Facebook group filled in the gaps. The software has been continuously upgraded and works great for scanning and tracking cases sent and received. My tip for scanning single crowns: While waiting for anesthesia, Scan the upper and lower quadrants and record the bite. Then i delete the tooth to be scanned. That saves time later after tooth preparation. At that time, switch to HD and scan the prep, done!read less - 6/16/2020
P. Andrew Benson
For me, getting this scanner was not a choice between Medit vs Itero or Medit vs Trios. Those companies have already eliminated themselves from consideration based on ridiculous cost, ridiculous ongoing fees, and greater concern for petty proprieta...read moreFor me, getting this scanner was not a choice between Medit vs Itero or Medit vs Trios. Those companies have already eliminated themselves from consideration based on ridiculous cost, ridiculous ongoing fees, and greater concern for petty proprietary posturing than for ensuring full functionality of their products to their usership. Typical dental tech company stuff.
The real decision was between Medit vs continuing life in analog dentistry. Medit through Cad-ray was really the only choice. Awesome packages , awesome access to free training videos, awesome software updates, awesome access to live support, awesome support staff.
There's just nothing better in dentistry than to get a great product AND a chance to stick it to the man.read less - 6/16/2020
Last year when I started looking into the Medit i500 I had my front desk call 3 sellers to get preliminary information. She told me hands down call CAD-RAY and don’t bother with the others. Boy was she right! Frank got us going with all our hardware ...read moreLast year when I started looking into the Medit i500 I had my front desk call 3 sellers to get preliminary information. She told me hands down call CAD-RAY and don’t bother with the others. Boy was she right! Frank got us going with all our hardware needs and trained us until all our questions were answered. Then Jonathon and Armen jumped in at our 2 day live training in Baltimore. I still review my notes to implement all the great ideas. When I get myself in a jam time to time CAD-RAY responds immediately and fixes my problem. Best decision I have made in the practice in a long time - Thank you everyone at CAD-RAY!read less - 10/09/2019
Great product and company. all the help and support you need on their website and Facebook group. recommended them to many of my colleagues and bragged to other reps about how good my deal was compared to what they were offering. - 6/16/2020
This was my intro into intraoral scanning and I did research for quite awhile. The i500 and the team at Cad Ray are top notch. The company has done such a great job putting this scanner in the ranks of the premier ones. With constant updates it gets...read moreThis was my intro into intraoral scanning and I did research for quite awhile. The i500 and the team at Cad Ray are top notch. The company has done such a great job putting this scanner in the ranks of the premier ones. With constant updates it gets better and better (though I’m still behind on updates). My crowns have never been better. They drop right in with no models. I didn’t believe it but I’m loving digital dentistry. I can’t wait to go to the class after COVID calms down!read less - 6/16/2020
There is a lot of focus nowadays on the connection between the screw and the MUA and top clinicians are recognizing this to be the most vulnerable part of full arch prosthetics.
An issue to consider the space between the green and the blue arrows on the following photo and how some have designed solutions around the small area that is prone to chirping or breakage during milling or printing
“The powerball screw by Dr Jonathan Abenaim is one of a kind. Finally a screw designed to skip the tibase with the material in mind. It is rounded to provide gentle forces that are transferred to the body of the screw instead of the weak threads where the the screw is the weakest. It has the ability to be used in Zirkonia and pmma with no tibase. Its angle can be corrected up to 20 degrees. With our proprietary biaxial screw head the screw head is robust and cannot be stripped.”
When setting up case in photogrammetry, you can select the type of screw you will be using for the prosthesis so that it gets incorporated into the design of the prosthesis. There is a trend developing where doctors prefer to mill or print directly to the Multi-Unit Abutment and a standard screw won’t suffice.
In Imetric’s ICam software you can chose which screw design you prefer which are often used to provide adequate spacing for the material and adequate length to engage the screw to the platform. Properly labeling the suprastructure at start up will provide the geometry you will need for the manufacturing.
I am not one to place much faith in published articles from academicians. I usually draw my information from trusted colleagues and also a very reliable source, Mr. Andrew Sedler, from Advanced Technology Centers in Burbank California. He is in charge of manufacturing thousands of full arch restorations for clinicians and many other labs that outsource their manufacturing.
One of the things I always get a kick out of is whenever they do purchase technology or implement a process, they always have to do it with redundancy. What that means is that their machines can never go down for whatever reason, so they always purchase printers and mills by multiple sets. Interestingly, I was witness to them incorporating printers into the lab about 6-7 years ago and now they have a large wing dedicated to printing with over 20 machines for many different purposes.
I trust his judgement and always follow his recommendation and tested methods. When he says “do not bypass verification jigs, no matter what scanner was used”, I don’t even question it. He sees all the cases many entities can’t manage and he can manufacture any screw, prosthetic, abutment, etc… with their high end milling machines. In fact, it was on his word alone we decided to distribute the ICam4d by imetric.
I thought it would be a good idea to revisit full arch implant restorations with him and see what the state of the industry is like today and what he would recommend for the end users and patients. A very good perspective for a clinician to keep is how a simple mistake or misunderstanding can wipe away all the profit margins for a lab and even for the clinician. A simple example is if you have to correct an angulation issue on an abutment which can dramatically impact the costs of the lab work.
Here is the Q/A session:
“Hi Andrew, I am writing an article on full arches and would appreciate some info”
what % of the full arches that docs order from you are zirconia on tibases only at implant sites?
what % are on titanium bars?
what % are hybrids with acrylic?
what % are MUA vs Implant level?
what is the most prescribed full arch prosthesis now compared to 5 -10 years ago?
what % are soft tissue level vs bone level / mua level?
what would you do for yourself?
which one has the most failure rate?
how often does zirc framework break?
how much damage do you think people do to zirconia frameworks while trying to mill it to sharp corners of tibases?
MUA vs IMPLANT LEVEL : over 90% of upper arches will have MUA and 60 to 70 % of the lower arches will have MUA
BONE LEVEL vs TISSUE: majority of implants (90% and up) bone level that requires MUA .
The most failure rate in order is (all of these in respect to the material limitations ):
the traditional acrylic hybrid
composite hybrid next
and the least breakage will be zirconia hybrid supported by metal frame
Zirconia failure is around 4 to 5 % (adding the internal lab remakes – i would say another 3 to 4 %)
The damage caused by adjusting the zirconia could be very considerable, especially around the access hole since those areas are thinner than the full teeth . For myself i would restore zirconia over metal frame if my choice is hybrid, while removable bar overdenture will be a more predictable and more hygienic choice .
it’s here! well technically it is crossing the atlantic. the icam4d’s are on their way.
separate from that, after i think a year long search, we have decided to carry the dess line of abutments because it is the one of the only lines that i can confidently say is well thought out and verified from start to finish. so you will be able to get a MUA to pretty much any implant line. some like bicons, if you choose to go that route will still have to be custom made and we can help you with that. But the vast majority of the implant lines and connections will be covered by this approach. Keith Goldstein is a tremendous resource and has agreed to provide us with a some important files and libraries. here is the significance of all this:
if you want a fixture level impression vs MUA in those rare situations, you can still place a MUA and image that. The dess library can easily convert that information to the location of the fixture. you just need to make sure that you make note of the exact mua and collar height you used. the timing won’t matter as these are RP non-indexed abutments. that solves the number 1 request you folks make when looking at this.
we will have all the libraries of the abutment from the margin and up available to you so you can pop them into the medit scan and easily identify the MUA in the mouth.
for the process to work in the traditional way, you would have had to place the mua’s, place the scnflags, image with icam. take off scanflags, place cylinders, scan with ios. then take off cylinders and then place healing caps. NOW, you can place the MUA’s, place scanflags, image with icam. export the stl and import it into medit. take off scan flags, BYPASS the cylinders, and just start scanning MUA’s in the mouth. With the AI feature, you will readily identify the multi unit abutments no matter how bloody the field is and if parts of the margins are buried under tissue. Of course, in the situation where the implant is super deep and the mua can’t stick its neck out, you will still have the option of popping the cylinders on. you will know which route to go as soon as you seat the MUA after surgery or uncovery
If you place enough implants, you may find yourself in need of a prosthetic part that just isn’t manufactured by anyone. For example, you may have a hybrid case on Bicons and for some reason you wanted to restored them with Multi Unit Abutments (MUA) and photogrammetry, yet there are no parts manufactured for such an endeavor. The problem is complex because a manufacturer needs to mass produce these parts and get them past regulatory matters.
Some have found a simple solution, which is to have the parts custom made specifically for the implant. If they need the MUA part before the procedure, they just send a digital or physical model into a lab that can custom make the part. The lab itself needs a prescription form on the lab analog. Since it is custom made, you have direct input on how tall you want the height of the margin, how much you want to displace the tissue, how much would want the restorative head angled, etc..
Most people will order a variety of them to address any situation on the same model and keep it in stock. What’s important to realize is that from the restorative standpoint, all your CAD software needs to know is the location of your abutment margins. It doesn’t care where fixture is and how the timing is lined up in the arch form. As long as it knows where the margins are, you can proceed with the design of the prosthesis.
Contact Andrew Seddler to send a digital or physical model and an Rx to get your custom made MUA’s
To date, the literature and research clearly points out that full arch scans with edentulous arches are prone to inaccuracies. That’s because we have never had a way to measure and verify models while scanning. There are two features unique to the Medit i500, namely the reliability map and the artificial intelligent implant suprastructure identification system. Individually, they do not provide much information with regards to accuracy, but if you understand how they work, you can utilize them to assess accuracy while you are scanning edentulous arches.
We proved the validity of this concept by utilizing these two features by incorporating a scan from the imetric Icam4D scanner and merging its data with the IOS to render a perfect match. Details are posted for our users in the Imaging Implants Section of our tutorial liabrary
Photogammetry has set the highest standard for full arch accuracy in digital dentistry for edentulous patients with multiple implant fixtures. An easy scan in under 15 seconds captures enough detail on scanbodies that help the software capture the location of the fixtures. Conversely, Intra-Oral Scanners (IOS) do not garner support for most of the literature that is currently published in dental journals. Scan paths can dictate the outcome of 3D model and determine how correctly it replicates the intra-oral condition. The same scan can render a variety of results and models based on the user and the direction the scans are taken. Simply stated, the user is control over the final product.
To use the ICam 4D scanner you must first calibrate the machine with a plate immediately prior to the intra-oral scan capture. There are specific reference points that the camera and software recognizes and after you capture about a dozen landmarks, you are ready for an intra-oral scan
After the camera is calibrated, the patient, or in this demonstration case, the model with Multi-Unit Abutment analogs is mounted with ICam Reference Bodies that are shaped like dominos. They can attach to the multiunit abutment or directly to the implant fixture (available soon in the USA).
The markers are captured by the device in the software with multiple identification marks, ideally 10 marks on each scan post. This data is then exported as an stl file that has all the locations of each cylinder preserved. This whole process just takes minutes. Most people just utilize this device for full arch impressions so they can bypass the verification jig for large cases. Here, we use it to assess the accuracy of the medit i500 ios to provide cross arch accuracy if doctors follow our protocols for imaging, which utilizes the reliability map as a guide for imaging. When then utilize the Artificial Intelligent Implant Suprastructure Identification Software to merge and evaluate the accuracy of the ios scan.
save the implant scanbody cyliners and their coordinates
There are a lot of ways one can introduce errors into a full arch scan with any ios, but the medit’s powerful features that include the reliability map and the AI tool separate it from all other scans that do not allow you to assess the accuracy of your scan while you are imaging. You can only do so with the fabrication of a verification jig